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PALLADIUM Member	posted 01-15-99 11:11 PM I tried some shit the other day It was very good.. lasted along time, so I thought I would bang a little to see how the rush was. There was just a short buz and then the speed feeling. I was disapointed, It kept me up for two days but I missed the rush that some other brands have given. My question, What causes the RUSH and whats the method to get that Hard on bang that I haven't seen for years now. And no I still haven't got the new method to work yet. I just suck at chemistry I guess. I do know all the things that don't work if anyone is interested. P
WebTweeker Junior Member	posted 01-17-99 08:25 AM I don't have an answer to your question, but I'll venture an uneducated guess. I, too, have noticed a gradual decline in the potency and quality of the stuff I've had over the last two years. One of my sources tells me it's because the materials that, like, the biker community used to produce with in the 70's and 80's are either no longer attainable or difficult to get. I'm assuming he meant primarily "pure" ephedrine. I s'pose I could ask him next time I see him. Anyway, that's my opinion. It's something I've wondered about whenever I get a really crappy batch... you know the kind... just clogs your sinuses, gives you a migraine and makes you crabby... not funny, talkative and happy. I've started to ask my source if the stuff he's got for me is a happy batch or not. I usually wait until a happy one comes around. :-) ------------------ Mop, mop, mop. All day long.
PALLADIUM Member	posted 01-21-99 09:01 PM I'm not sure but I think that the racemic dl has something to do with it and also phenylacetone(spelling) method must do somthing to give a biger bang.
Belladonna Member	posted 01-22-99 12:52 AM Well, maybe in 'good dope' is a small amount of added impurity named epinephrine (aka Adrenaline.) It immediately sets the heart to racing, and acts as a stimulant in its own right, but is short-lived. This could account for a 'flash' of some sort. Or maybe it's a psychological problem. Caffeine may also be a cut that could do the same thing, but comes on a bit slower.
Aliquat unregistered	posted 01-22-99 05:07 AM I,m sure that X produces a rusch. This is becouse the methylenedioxy-ring. In the case of Meth this only can be achieved by i.v. injection, this is because the very rappid distribution by the (blood)-circulation. Hope this is what you want to know. See you later folks.....
PALLADIUM Member	posted 01-22-99 08:40 AM Well I know it comes with injection this is what I'm talking about. I banged (injected) some from one source and it gave me a real big RUSH that lasted about 45 min and was kinda like peeking on XTC and then setteled out to a long night of cleaning. But then from another source the speed was just as good and lasted even longer but had no rush to speek of even though I banged more of it than the last. I was wondering by what method produces the best RUSH, the kind of RUSH that makes your dick hard for the men and the women rip their pants off and screem FUCK ME quick. I have had some of this about two - three years ago so I know it's out there but I want to know the method, I'm married now and just now getting my new wife to get alittle freeky in bed, some of the good shit would really be fun. Just for fun PALLADIUM
niteflier Member	posted 01-22-99 08:37 PM hmmmmm....I was once told that after washing your product with ether, dont flash it off real good, pack it up a bit wet, and it will be real rushy. It was too....not sure if that was the REAL reason though....obviously, more research is needed..........
fj Member	posted 01-22-99 09:55 PM I've been going on the theory that it's the racemate the creates the rush, though it could also be a byproduct from the old p2p methods. Also overheard that it is actually acetone that creates the "ether rush" (needless to say, don't experiment with that one). It's all voodoo unless you can get yer hands on high-purity d-meth and dl-meth though.
JuliusCain Member	posted 01-22-99 10:44 PM I've always thought the rush came from being nervous about whats in the shit you just bought: As Mr.Turd sits with a small square piece of marble in his lap and a razorblade cutting feverishly at what 'appears' to be tweek he ponders... "uhmm, oh man, whys this shit purple? aaahh, and why did it just move across the plate by itself?" nah... I think its from doing a bigger rail than you know you should take at the time... somehow, the size of the lines keep growing each time. Haven't done any shit for a while now... sure do miss it. ------------------ -J.C-
mindless Member	posted 01-22-99 11:18 PM this is a really good question and it always comes up, when one speculates marketing. here in oregon, needles can be bought over the counter, in any drugstore, and with no hassle. this factor, along with a "rush", seems to make intravenous drug use the major method of intake. i guess, which chemicals are used, in the manufacturing, must rate highly in the rush category, because i too always hear people say, that propanone dope was the best, and that ephedrine dope, that is super clean has hardly a rush. maybe that's why some people like that dirty stuff, huh. so, i had this dream one day..... the product was titrated, separated from the toluene, and then crystalized. then half of that was thrown in with ether, water, separated and then crystalized again. the people liked the ether washed product much better because it had a better rush. i just love these little experiments....hehehe....and then i woke up
fj Member	posted 01-23-99 05:04 PM With so many people smoking it nowadays, I'd be leery of packing in the volatiles too well. scrrritt... FOOOF
mindless Member	posted 01-23-99 06:11 PM fj...ether evaporates during the crystallation process before the water evaporates. its good to know, though, because there is a lot of wet dope that's sold out there.
AbSoLuTe Member	posted 01-23-99 06:46 PM Personally, I think the best rush comes from the anticipation of the rush ! The placebo effect can be very powerfull, only short lived. If some one says it is good shit it will be , but if you are told that it is garbage then it will be . Try this at home, or with some one you love.
fj Member	posted 01-23-99 07:42 PM There is actually a real, obvious difference with what he's talking about, it's not just user anticipation. The original speed that went around until the mid-eighties, p2p product and the like, gave an extremely heady IV rush. It created new speedfreaks wherever it went. I've tried IV off and on since then, and none of the ephedrine rdx product has it. There is as much a rush as you could expect from any upper/downer drug I guess, but it bears little resemblance to what the old stuff did. I've begun to see some hits of the "rush stuff" the last few years, it doesn't look much like the p2p product. mindless: I know ether all too well, thanks. It's just a funny picture. What I actually used to smell in the old good stuff, though I couldn't identify it then, was acetone and benzylic alcohols, sometimes that one that perfumers use as a cheap rose scent, I can't remember the name of it.
Hematite Member	posted 01-23-99 10:32 PM fj, to throw a spanner in the works....After many reductions with HI, someone I heard about has only produced 1 batch that blew the top of the head off.(this we will call the desired effect)Cant say how or why this one was dynamite, only that several volunteers sang of this guy's glory for 24hrs, and this with the same old sudas always used.So it is still possible, and tells a big story about this dudes chemistry skills,or lack there of. Regards, Hematite.
mindless Member	posted 01-24-99 01:26 AM fj...i believe it was called rose gardenia
Barracuda1965 Member	posted 01-24-99 02:10 AM Mindless, You just rang my bell. Rose Gardenia was known to some friends here in S.F. They told me that this recipie died with the cook. I started a thread a couple months ago on this very subject. I'd love to know more. This topic is of great interest to me. Face it some people are addicted to that rush alone. Oh well. ------------------ 'Cuda65
fj Member	posted 01-24-99 04:13 PM It does have a chemical name, I guess rose gardenia is a common name. It was way back when a pro analysed it and posted in usenet, can't remember though. Learning some amateur perfumery would probably clear it up real fast. At the time I think we were assuming that it was a byproduct, not precursor, but it very well could be a precursor. I sorta doubt that a recipe died with a single cook, not unless he produced an awful lot of it in the west for several years. There are mega ways to produce an 'ol-fashioned racemate by the non-ephedrine routes, some very interesting p2ps posted elsewhere in the hive. The old stuff can be made, but it's so much more work than reducing ephed, almost nobody does it. I'd love to know how he made the screamin krank with HI, I've never known how.
Tlange Junior Member	posted 01-31-99 11:35 AM Why not just convert your stereospecific ephedrine rdxn product, to it's racemic counterpart....ala reflux with HCL. Voil'a.....racemate d-l meth, just like you enjoyed back in high school. Tla
Commodium Member	posted 01-31-99 02:27 PM According to Rathead (remember him?), the same method would also convert l-meth (ala Vick's inhalers) to the racemate as well.
fj Member	posted 01-31-99 06:25 PM From what I've gathered (never tried it), that won't work. The group that's reconfigured is the hydroxyl, not the amine. You could do that with ephed or pseudo and end up with a rough racemate, I think the equilibrium was ~60:40 one way or the other. To say it's a racemate doesn't necessarily mean it reduces to one. The hydroxyl group is removed in a reduction, the meth isomeric makeup is determined by the amine orientation. The l-meth could be tried, but if it were a successful approach, I expect it would be a well-known homebrew by now. Still, you never really know something unless you do it yourself.
omega Member	posted 01-31-99 09:28 PM this does work when done in an airtight vessle for long period with the right strenth acid it makes a light brown colored product when crystalized
BB13 Member	posted 01-31-99 11:30 PM YOU mean like AKA "Peanut Butter"?
Snorty unregistered	posted 02-02-99 09:46 PM If my hazy and crappy recollection serves me half as well as it used to, I seem to recall some info from reading about Desoxyn in an old PDR. For those of you who don't know what Desoxyn is, well.... But anyway, it advised not to use any antacid that contains sodium bicarbonate in combination with the Desoxyn because it may 'multiply the effect', so to say. I beleive that the antacid produces the multiplication effect with oral dosages only. So just a ponder.... Might there be, perhaps, chemical substances lurking out there that could be introduced into the body, before consumption of meth, that could react and 'multiply' the effect that the meth produces? For example, say eating or taking product X thirty minutes prior to the big bang?
SNOtty Junior Member	posted 02-03-99 02:13 AM RE: Snorty's post, does NE1 else know anything about the effects of sodium bicarbonate on Desoxyn? eg.- If one were to take his 25mg. dose of Desoxyn along with some antacid tablets, would the side effects of the medication be increased at the same rate as the mental effects, or would it merely increase the "rush" of the meds.?
Commodium Member	posted 02-03-99 12:12 PM Yeah, I used to do this, not with Desoxyn, but good old street crank. Using bicarb or other antacids does NOT increase or multiply the effects of speed, it only prolongs the length of action. Not exactly sure of the mechanism, but eating antacids cause the unmetabolized meth in your urine to be recycled back into the bloodstream, giving it a 2nd chance to be absorbed or something. This is what the PDR says, and it matches my personal experience, too. It won't make you higher but it WILL keep you higher for longer.
DRedge Member	posted 09-07-99 05:43 PM Dude tosed into batch some ulcer meds and some epinepherine adrenaline, or something later in the reaction vessel???
Bilbo Baggins Member	posted 09-07-99 06:29 PM I would agree, I too was wondering this just today while emailing a colleague. I can remember speed that when wacked and like only one point of the stuff set yah on your ear and had yah almost cummin in yer pants. I know the shit here guys are wackin 4points and just getting a taste, what the fuck happened! Not only is almost twice the price of good coke here but its garbage. I assure you there was no mental anticipation anything, after a wack you were walking into walls for about ten minutes, you cant imagine up that. I remember when mda was a killer drug to inject too but it was really easy to go over and do the chicken so we stuck mostly to the speed or blow. Any other old rounders out there agree? Bilbo
Klean Member	posted 09-08-99 01:23 PM 4points??? can you explain that is that like a 4cent shot? 4units? 100 units in a CC. Remember im a new-bee so be easy. Klean
Bilbo Baggins Member	posted 09-08-99 01:28 PM Points is points of a gram. A point of meth goes for about 20.00 here. Bilbo
Klean Member	posted 09-08-99 11:28 PM so a point is like a quarter paper? 1/4g???? I mean if you gotta do more than 1/4g to get spun its SHIT DOPE.
mrr pyrex Member	posted 09-08-99 11:41 PM Can't say as to the strength thing, but from everything ive read regarding race mix dl with the exception of Uncle Fester, they all point to the mix as giving cramps, stomach aches, headaches and such. With pure clean D-meth as being the Stuff your dreaming of. Just my 3/4 cents worth. Pyrex out
FMAN Member	posted 09-09-99 12:00 AM I strongly dissagree, from the above statement pure D meth might be good but it is deffinatly not like the racemites of yesterday, they are improving sterissolative methods that is all your dope is more steriospeciffically fit to produce as the end resul D-meth this is safer for you than L-meth. The ohter reactions could have to do eith various admixtures that we will lable exhibt B. Psychotropic addatives and such adulterants.
Bilbo Baggins Member	posted 09-09-99 12:03 AM Klean Here what we call a point is a tenth of a gram. Bilbo
Klean Member	posted 09-09-99 05:48 AM Thanx Bilbo excuse my ignorance. Also I J.R.R Tolkien rules!!!!!
Worlock Member	posted 09-09-99 11:25 AM Not to dispute any of the other possible reasons. But only to increase the list by a few, is it reasonable to assume that: A)The now legendary speed, was a result of less crap in the gogo and although it smelt of burnt rubberized cat piss was actually more pure? And why can it not be reproduced today. I have not had any rasty stanky cat urine crank in many years. B) Are we so busy making cake icing and pie filling for smoking that we do not even try the phenylacetone and as a result of having only written recipes are ignorant of the cooking lore that made it work.
Bilbo Baggins Member	posted 09-09-99 12:39 PM AHA I know why the shit here is garbage now for certain. I have noticed in recent times that the stuff here when smoked had this sickly sweet kinda smell. I wondered often what that was..... If yah did a blast you would get a bit of a tingle across the forehead, you were awake but apart from that nuttinhunny. So Bilbo is gonna dream, and he's drying out some last pull E....Low and behold near the end of the drying that sickly sweet smell. No fargin way I says. So throw a bit on some foil and heat no resin, clean as anything but thats the smell I always wondered about.. The Crap here must be mostly effed still. Un real and they are paying a buck fifty a gram for this shit. Maybe thats gonna change.......(at least the quality) Really makes yah wonder, I wouldnt feel right giving that shit away nevermind chargin for it. Bilbo
CHEM GUY Member	posted 09-09-99 04:27 PM Can anyone say "dopamine antoganist". How about "epinephrine". Let's try "Flight or fight response".
sleeplessbeauty Junior Member	posted 09-11-99 02:53 AM the rush hey? well my hard worked thories go lke this if you slam it like i you mean the soles of your feet to the top of your head and the room tunnel visons and almost flip flops, then legs as long as mind and stll spinning? ok boys #1 patience no flash puller such as washed ethier and a ph arond 8.5 when brought down by gas to powder. be sterile and make her come ^ nice and slow for hours if you can? top her off at 14 or shell go up in smoke. but proportions are really mood altering for strength or grumpy like old men drowning in I size-endurance-cleanleness-over gasing never hurts . unless u dont know the limits so anybody interested? sleeplessbeauty ------------------ the one

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